Origin VS Rock Climbing Shoe

I'm a bit on the fence with these shoes. They are very soft and flat with little structure to hold any shape. The toe patch is great especially for toe hooking in a cave. The s72 rubber seems pretty good for smearing and standing on volumes and not terrible on small edges either plus it is very durable on gym holds. The fit is pretty bad, at least for my foot. They somehow seem to be loose where I'd like them to be tight but tight were I would like a bit more room. The toe box is a little narrow for scarpa and the longest part of the tow seems to be nearer the middle of the foot rather than in line with your big toe. If they fit your foot then you may like them more than me. They do somethings well but not sure how they justify the rrp (I had a good discount). Not awful but there are definitely better shoes out there, especially if you're paying full price for them.